{"id":63,"date":"2011-08-15T00:21:18","date_gmt":"2011-08-14T18:51:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/blog\/?p=63"},"modified":"2011-08-15T00:21:18","modified_gmt":"2011-08-14T18:51:18","slug":"goodbye-euclid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/?p=63","title":{"rendered":"Goodbye Euclid!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This talk announced below was to have been webcast live.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/gif\/Euclid-banner.gif\" alt=\"Goodbye Euclid banner\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Update: The videos were long ago taken down by USM, and my versions do not work any more.<\/p>\n<p>The videos are now posted at<\/p>\n<p>Part 1: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sEK1FCrLHjU\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sEK1FCrLHjU<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Part 2: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=MFf5co3G3R8\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=MFf5co3G3R8<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Part 3: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zomZU949Cnw\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zomZU949Cnw<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">Anyway, the video is now online at the USM website at<br \/>\n<\/span> <span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\"><a rel=\"nofollow noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.usm.my\/index.php\/en\/about-usm\/usm-videos\/video-on-demand.html\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\">http:\/\/www.usm.my\/index.php\/en\/about-usm\/usm-videos\/video-on-demand.html<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\">My version is\u00a0at<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: line-through;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/videos\/videos.html\">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/videos\/videos.html<\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p>There are no subtitles so I should perhaps explain that the persons on the dais are (from left to right) Prof. Tan Sri Dato&#8217; Dzulkifli Razak, VC, USM, CKR, Dato&#8217; Saifuddin Abdullah, Deputy Minister for Higher Education, Malaysia, S. M. Mohammed Idris, Chairman, Citizens International, and Prof. Ahmad Shukri, Deputy VC, USM.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t miss out the prize I have offered of RM 10,000 (about USD 3300) for reliable primary evidence on Euclid (with the caveats attached). The prize is at <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/sEK1FCrLHjU?t=3308\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/sEK1FCrLHjU?t=3308<\/a>. Or see the slides at <a href=\"or the related presentation at http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/presentations\/Decolonising-history-Goodbye-Euclid.pdf#page=159. \">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/presentations\/Decolonising-history-Goodbye-Euclid.pdf#page=159<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The long\u00a0comment (about Needham) was very strange, and I did not want to be rude. But, on second thoughts, that is what I should have done, and that is what I should do in future.<\/p>\n<p>Of course Needham studied the scientific revolution, and not the industrial revolution. The questioner was afraid to use the right term, since I have already shown that the Copernican revolution and the Newtonian revolution are bogus.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Consider the situation reciprocally. If one centre on China and one\u00a0studying Eastern philosophy are adequate (and these studies would be required for strategic reasons as well), then let us purge all western philosophy and history from our syllabi, and restrict its study to one centre per country.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, if history can be useful even if false, we should strike down the laws on defamation, for anyone could defame anyone else, and then claim that falsehoods could be useful!<\/p>\n<p>Related reading material on\u00a0Euclid:<\/p>\n<p>1. \u201cTowards Equity in Math Education 1. Good-Bye Euclid!\u201d, <em>Bharatiya Samajik Chintan <\/em><strong>7<\/strong> (4) (New Series) (2009) pp. 255\u2013264. <a href=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/MathEducation1Euclid.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/MathEducation1Euclid.pdf<\/span><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>(Some people may also be interested in the second part\u201cTowards Equity in Math Education 2. The Indian Rope Trick\u201d, <em>Bharatiya Samajik Chintan <\/em><strong>7<\/strong> (4) (New Series) (2009) pp. 265\u2013269, at <a href=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/MathEducation2RopeTrick.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/MathEducation2RopeTrick.pdf<\/span><\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>2. \u201cTeaching racist history\u201d, <em>Indian Journal of Secularism <\/em><strong>11<\/strong>(4) (2008) 25-28.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/Teaching-racist-history-scanned.pdf.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/Teaching-racist-history-scanned.pdf.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>3. A newspaper article on this in Hindi, in <em>Jansatta<\/em> 23 Jan 2008, ed. page, at <a href=\"http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/Jansatta-Euclid.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #0068cf;\">http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/Jansatta-Euclid.jpg<\/span><\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This talk announced below was to have been webcast live. Update: The videos were long ago taken down by USM, and my versions do not work any more. The videos are now posted at Part 1: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sEK1FCrLHjU Part 2: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=MFf5co3G3R8 Part 3: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zomZU949Cnw Anyway, the video is now online at the USM website at http:\/\/www.usm.my\/index.php\/en\/about-usm\/usm-videos\/video-on-demand.html My version is\u00a0at http:\/\/ckraju.net\/videos\/videos.html There are no subtitles so I should perhaps explain that the persons on the dais are (from left to right) Prof. Tan Sri Dato&#8217; Dzulkifli Razak, VC, USM, CKR, Dato&#8217; Saifuddin Abdullah, Deputy Minister for Higher Education, Malaysia, S. M. Mohammed Idris, Chairman, Citizens International, and Prof. Ahmad Shukri, Deputy VC, USM. Don&#8217;t miss out the prize I have offered of RM 10,000 (about USD 3300) for reliable primary evidence on Euclid (with the caveats attached). The prize is at https:\/\/youtu.be\/sEK1FCrLHjU?t=3308. Or see the slides at http:\/\/ckraju.net\/papers\/presentations\/Decolonising-history-Goodbye-Euclid.pdf#page=159. The long\u00a0comment (about Needham) was very strange, and I did not want to be rude. But, on second thoughts, that is what I should have done, and that is what I should do in future. Of course Needham studied the scientific revolution, and not the industrial revolution. The questioner was afraid to use the right term, since I have already shown that the Copernican revolution and the Newtonian revolution are bogus.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-63","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-education","category-history-and-philosophy-of-mathematics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=63"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=63"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=63"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ckraju.net\/wordpress_F\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=63"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}